hate to be clichè, but...

[Seattlehawk94]

No worries but as I said, it's hardly the longest record in MLB..

Back to the topic...Lofabread is softer than a bag of Wonderbread...haha

 

[LaceyBALL3R360]

i dont wanna argue with u there hes not the toughest LB by any means i just appreciate how hard he works his leadership and his intellegence
and for our secondary how much do we miss josh wilson now lol he looked pretty good for baltimore this year

 

[Seattlehawk94]

He'll make a great coach....But he's not a great MLB...He's living on a rep set when they didn't know how to stop him....As for his work ethic, I don't think anyone can say it's "great", look at 90% of plays made around him---he's standing hands of hips watching someone else make a tackle.

Wilson never should've left, should've been Kelli Kaposki Jennings...Sick of watching that dude get torched--he could be a spokesman for the Burn Foundation he's been toasted so much..

 

[bobflipaburger]

There's no arguing Lofa works hard and he's a smart LB. He's just slow and a bad tackler now.

 

[Seattlehawk94]

He's just slow and a bad tackler now.

Exsnackly....

 

[kdawg2980]

Smart fan base on here I voted offensive line. I mean when you are constantly having to throw on third and one's that is a sign you need help. Plus before Okung we hadn't drafted an offensive lineman in the first fucking round since Hutchinson in 2001. Ruskell seemed to think that position which our strength in 2005 didn't matter.

I'd say best available. If there is a QB you like take him because the Packers didn't need Rodgers. Rodgers sat and did nothing for three seasons even but now look at them. Same with the 49ers they don't have a good run in the 90's if they didn't have the vision to acquire Young before the 1987 season.

Better to prepare than be like the Seahawks and go oh shit Alexander is done despite being 30 what should we do?!!! Oh Shit Walter Jones despite being close to 40 finally retired what should we do?!!!

 

[Seattlehawk94]

We did take Spence at #26 in '05...

I agree with OL, but if there is a CB that's fallen I'd grab him if we can't get one in F/A..But if Newton fell I wouldn't be offended if we took him either..

 

[kdawg2980]

Just a warning to Coug and Duck fans Carroll does have a hard one for Locker. Last year he called Locker the best QB in the Pac-10...............for the decade. I think even Softy would disagree with that(Maybe).

Yes a Corner or an O-lineman for sure. I forgot about Spencer.

Since 2004 we have drafted just one pro bowler and he appears to be done. Look up our drafts from 2006-2008 total shit. Hard to win when you have three consecutive piss poor drafts.

As for those asking about D-line not saying our D-line is great but with Mebane, Clemons, Brock, Cole and a healthy Bryant they are servicable.

Our LB's suck ass and secondary other than Thomas(who had a rough game today) I'd shitcan the rest of them.

 

[Seattlehawk94]

The DL is pretty damn good, you got TWO 10 Sack guys on that line and that was with Bryant the main run stuffer injured....That's not an issue..

LBs---ThorneBird is the fucking man...He's the best backer on the field...Curry, I'm sick of hearing shit talked about him..Ya'll don't know how hard the kid works, and tries---some of you expect him to be Lawrence FUCKING TAYLOR from Day 1--give him another damn year before you throw out that "b-word" some of you have already used..He's progressed...He needs help though..Lofabread and Hill--fuck 'em both--cut 'em...

 

[tonos253]

i say
1)Best DL available
2)cb
3)OL
4)QB

Agreed, D Line is horribly inconsistent. I also want some size on our D, we are 2 small.

 

[dizzle498]

I think we really need to get a QB. Hasselbeck has 1 or 2 more years in him max. It would be nice to get a good QB in the second round that we could mold into our future. With the depth coming out at QB this year, I think it would be reasonable to get th 4th or 5th best rated QB in the mid second round, where we will be drafting.

 

[tonos253]

I wouldn't mind taking a quarterback either. It just depends on who it is and what his upside is gonna be ya dig

 

[bobflipaburger]

The DL is pretty damn good, you got TWO 10 Sack guys on that line and that was with Bryant the main run stuffer injured....That's not an issue..

LBs---ThorneBird is the fucking man...He's the best backer on the field...Curry, I'm sick of hearing shit talked about him..Ya'll don't know how hard the kid works, and tries---some of you expect him to be Lawrence FUCKING TAYLOR from Day 1--give him another damn year before you throw out that "b-word" some of you have already used..He's progressed...He needs help though..Lofabread and Hill--fuck 'em both--cut 'em...

Leroy is a free agent after the super bowl. Wish I could say the same about Lofa. And I agree with you on Curry, he's played a lot better as of late. Athletically he's a beast, definitely our most physically gifted LB.

DL has two solid pass rushers, but depth would be nice... They got absolutely man handled yesterday. Having a revolving door of pass rushers that can get it done is always nice.

 

[Bru-Hed]

I'm with 94--Curry played well when it counted. I like Brock too, at least in the last two games.

Anyone hear any news about Carlson and Trufant? Say what you want about Marcus but I hope both are able to make full recoveries. I don't wish permanent injury on any player. (Well, except a guy named Orange Juice...)

 

[RockOutWithYourHawkOut]

I've been wanting the M's to trade "SlapChop" for a while. He does nothing to help the team.

This might just be the most retarded thing I've read on this forum Good for you.

 

[Fenom]

This might just be the most retarded thing I've read on this forum Good for you.

Before you call it retarded, why don't you explain what he has done for the team. Yes, he gets hits and plays pretty good defense, but he's horrible at driving in runs. If he actually got more than just singles, maybe he would be useful, but on a team that is very inconsistent at producing offensively, he doesn't do a lot to help.

Ichiro compared to "The Great" Jose Lopez over the past 3 Seasons...

Ichiro:
2,005 At Bats
652 Hits
81 Doubles
14 Triples
23 Homeruns
222 Strikeouts
131 RBIs

Jose Lopez:
1,850 At Bats
501 Hits (Projected 541 Hits)
112 Doubles (Projected 120 Doubles)
1 Triple
52 Homeruns (Projected 60 Homeruns)
202 Strikeouts (Projected 221 Strikeouts)
243 RBIs (Projected 261 RBIs)

*Added projections for 2,005 at bats so people don't say "HE HAD LESS AT BATS!!!"...

Probably should get back on topic now.

 

[bobflipaburger]

Ichiro once per game is usually facing a left handed specialist, dude that are just murder on left handed hitters. Comparing home runs, RBI isn't fair Ichiro is a lead off hitter Why don't you compare their OPS, Ops+, WAR, UZR etc.

 

[RockOutWithYourHawkOut]

Before you call it retarded, why don't you explain what he has done for the team. Yes, he gets hits and plays pretty good defense, but he's horrible at driving in runs. If he actually got more than just singles, maybe he would be useful, but on a team that is very inconsistent at producing offensively, he doesn't do a lot to help.

Ichiro compared to "The Great" Jose Lopez over the past 3 Seasons...

Ichiro:
2,005 At Bats
652 Hits
81 Doubles
14 Triples
23 Homeruns
222 Strikeouts
131 RBIs

Jose Lopez:
1,850 At Bats
501 Hits (Projected 541 Hits)
112 Doubles (Projected 120 Doubles)
1 Triple
52 Homeruns (Projected 60 Homeruns)
202 Strikeouts (Projected 221 Strikeouts)
243 RBIs (Projected 261 RBIs)

*Added projections for 2,005 at bats so people don't say "HE HAD LESS AT BATS!!!"...

Probably should get back on topic now.

Hmm, where do I start?

The objective of a leadoff role, is not to drive in runs. It's to score them, but most importantly, it's to get on base. There isn't a player in the majors who does that better than Ichiro..

Ichiro throughout his career has scored 100+ runs a season consistently, as consistently as anyone in his same position. Understandably, his numbers have been down over the last couple of seasons simply due to the fact that the players surrounding him in the lineup, are incapable of doing their jobs.

You cannot compare Jose Lopez and Ichiro.. They're two completely different players.. The only thing they have in common is their inability to draw walks.

It's like comparing dog crap to gold.

Ichiro over the course of his career has never once had an OBP lower than .350. Lopez has reached the .300 mark just 3 times in his career. You can't just look the basic stats, stuff like RBI's is out of the batters control, it relies entirely on whether or not the guys around him can get on base, and do they? Not even close. RBI's are a seemingly useless stat when determining a players worth. It's almost as bad as discrediting a pitcher because of lack of wins. There are only so many things a player can control in baseball, and if you're looking to the stats page to try and better yourself in this conversation, you should know that..

 

[szat]

1a.) QB
Hopefully Matt gets a final contract, but still, plan for the future. If the right QB falls in the 1st or 2nd round, take him or even move up if warrented. There are some interesting FA out there as well...

1b.) CB
Asomagha, paul open up that checkbook. Or in use a high draft pick to obtain top rated CB, these guys are priceless.

2.) DT/OT
I think we are pretty good on both sides of the ball. Dont forget our IR, we have Unger, Willis, Bryant, Sailvia, but we need to add youth and depth here. Think run blocking.

3.) WR
Sorry to say but our squad is second tier to other teams, Im even tempted to put this as our #2 need. I still have hope for Tate and Obo, but we need to find some studs. Look at GB as a blue print for the best WR core. All 4 guys are 6-4+ 200 lbs. athletic WRs. Schnieder had a hand in that, he can do it here.

LB...
I agree that Curry is a WIP (work in progress) and had a decent year and will continue to mature. We have good depth with Herring, Hawethorne, Tatupu, McCoy, and we still have Hill, I dont think his contract is up Bob? So I dont really think that is a position of need unless Hill and Tatupu are irrerelevent, and that is a good question, can Tatupu or Hill can get right, he has not been the same players after their BIG contract. They need to step it up and loose some wieght!

 

[Fenom]

Ichiro once per game is usually facing a left handed specialist, dude that are just murder on left handed hitters. Comparing home runs, RBI isn't fair Ichiro is a lead off hitter Why don't you compare their OPS, Ops+, WAR, UZR etc.

Ichiro:
2010 - .754 OPS | 113 OPS+ | 4.5 WAR
2009 - .851 OPS | 129 OPS+ | 5.4 WAR
2008 - .747 OPS | 102 OPS+ | 5.4 WAR

Jose Lopez:
2010 - .609 OPS | 071 OPS+ | 1.6 WAR
2009 - .766 OPS | 103 OPS+ | 1.7 WAR
2008 - .764 OPS | 103 OPS+ | 3.9 WAR

Ichiro is obviously better than Lopez and the WAR stat shows Ichiro is a more valuable offensive player as well.

Hmm, where do I start?

The objective of a leadoff role, is not to drive in runs. It's to score them, but most importantly, it's to get on base. There isn't a player in the majors who does that better than Ichiro..

Ichiro throughout his career has scored 100+ runs a season consistently, as consistently as anyone in his same position. Understandably, his numbers have been down over the last couple of seasons simply due to the fact that the players surrounding him in the lineup, are incapable of doing their jobs.

You cannot compare Jose Lopez and Ichiro.. They're two completely different players.. The only thing they have in common is their inability to draw walks.

It's like comparing dog crap to gold.

Ichiro over the course of his career has never once had an OBP lower than .350. Lopez has reached the .300 mark just 3 times in his career. You can't just look the basic stats, stuff like RBI's is out of the batters control, it relies entirely on whether or not the guys around him can get on base, and do they? Not even close. RBI's are a seemingly useless stat when determining a players worth. It's almost as bad as discrediting a pitcher because of lack of wins. There are only so many things a player can control in baseball, and if you're looking to the stats page to try and better yourself in this conversation, you should know that..

I wouldn't have said anything more if you didn't make that statement that you did. I gave my opinion, then you called it the most retarded thing you have ever read on here. That's a pretty screwed up statement considering the things that have been said on here.

Trading Ichiro will help the Mariners out a lot. If he stays, he will continue to rack up his hits while the team will continue putting up losing records. If you trade him, the team will get a decent amount of young talent and Ichiro will have a shot at winning the World Series. Yes, the team will continue putting up losing records, but at least they will have more young talent for the future.