sherman wanting more money?

[szat]

"the Sharroll regime" LOL

Unger was resigned last year I believe.

I think that the would like to retain all the guys you mentioned because of talent, and they are all PC/JS picks.
But my point is they wont be able to keep all those player even NEXT year and resign sherm/ET. Not even looking 3 years.

Look at this way, after we signed Harvin, we were pretty close to the cap. Next year we will be even closer and sherm will be looking for compensation, Earl maybe too, but he is making more comparable money being a high draft pick. But then you have all these players to decide on resigning: Tate, Baldwin; Browner; Giacomini; Thurmand; Robinsen; Bennett, to mention a few. Lets go win a superbowl next year, but we will need to make some big decisions next offseason.

 

[bobflipaburger]

I agree with both statements, Sherm had the better year, and partly because ET was playing center field.

While I would like to keep both of course, I dont know if you can have that much $ wrapped up in the secondary.
With KAM getting his deal done, (5.8M), I think you have to decide what is the better value. Since CB (especially all pro CB's) tend to get the fat stacks (8-12M) where as FS less (6-10M)
So what is the better value?

ET @ 8.5 M?
or
Sherm @ 12M?

Cutting Breno (3M) and M. Rob (2.5M) will not keep you out of Cap hell.

No I think you are talking about loosing 2 or more of these players.

Sidney 8.2M- Restructure next year
Lynch 7.7M
Clem 7.3- only 2 years left
Red 7M- possibly restructure
Zach 6.8M- restructure next year


http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/

Rookie contracts at FB and RT. We'll be fine, should even have enough to re-sign Tate if we want to.

 

[TheBandwagon]

Yeah I agree with that. Pete and John will find a way to retain them all. They are already thinking ahead as shown by what they got for Flynn. They traded Flynn mainly for cap space and not much else so they put a premium on cap space like other teams put a premium on draft picks.
You would think Kam would be lowest on the priority list of DBs to re-sign but since they extended him, you can bet they think they can retain the slightly bigger fish in ET and Sherman too.

The key is in finding that cheap talent like they've been doing. Every time they find a KJ Wright, Bobby Wagner, Richard Sherman it allows them to jettison older, higher priced talent without any dropoff. The word out of minicamp is the TE Willson. He looked very good in the minicamp so he could be this year's steal. If he pans out then that would allow them to cut loose of Zach Miller when the time is right and not lose a beat. Whenever they can find someone like that it not only helps them directly on the field but gives them future cap flexibility also.
They've lost most of their cap space they had at the end of the season signing Avril, Bennett and Harvin. But Bennett's only got 1 year so that $5m or whatever is freed back up after this season. Not sure about Avril but he's only 26 so he factors in longer term.

Of course when it's time to give RW a new deal the game changes considerably after that.

 

[bobflipaburger]

It's just a matter of if you're willing to sacrifice flexibility for a great CB. If we don't hit on a bunch of good picks on the D-line, we'll be in trouble.

 

[TheBandwagon]

I see what y'all are saying. I'd have to say no, not unless he hits Revis '09 level. Sherman's probably better than Revis now but he's not yet as good as the '09 Revis. He hasn't hit that level yet. He's fairly close but not quite there. If he does, and he's good enough to almost singlehandedly elevate a defense to elite status and take an otherwise mediocre team within reach of a Super Bowl, then he's worth it. If not, then they could put that $12 mil to a lot better use elsewhere.
Funny you mention the D-line because I was thinking the same thing. That's one spot they haven't really hit paydirt on yet, via midle round draft picks. They've tried, with guys like Scruggs and Dexter Davis but they haven't quite hit the mark so I agree with you there. It'll be interesting to see how it goes with Jordan Hill and Jesse Williams.

 

[bobflipaburger]

Bruce was far from disappointing last year. Led all rookies in sacks. The Avril signing buys us a couple years of trying to build pass rush depth through the draft.

 

[TheBandwagon]

Na I agree with that. I didn't mention Irvin because he was a first round pick and I was referring mainly to lower picks but I guess he's relevant to the subject too as long as the Hawks can get good value out of his play for what they're paying him.
Since Irvin's been brought up, how do you think he's gonna turn out? I hope he develops into more than just a pass rush specialist. He's still a bit raw and doesn't have a whole lot to his game yet except pure speed on the edge. If that's as good as it's gonna get with him then I'll take it but I'm hoping for a lot more than that. More like Von Miller or Aldon Smith numbers maybe. He's got the upside for it.

 

[szat]

Bruce Irvin - I think he will still be the hier apperant to the LEO. I think he will improve this year, and then Clem might be out freeing up some cap.

Zach Miller- Luke Willson replacing?? good luck with that! While Luke has caught the ball well without the pads on, he is far from making the team at this point. Might be the steal, but no one is the complete TE Zack Miller is. Maybe overpaid but also underrated.

Restructuring- Yes to Red if he has another off year, or even traded/cut! No to sidney, he will ask for a trade, some team will want his talents, he is still young and could be #1 or 2 WR on most NFL teams. He will not restructure.

Dont want to have to say I told you so, but we will be loosing some key players next year.
#markmywords

 

[bobflipaburger]

Sidney will restructure. He hasn't put up the numbers we paid for. It's extremely rare for someone to play to play out their 2nd contract as they signed it. I think you'll definitely see some type of move with Rice and Miller but I highly doubt another team will want to trade for them, unless the trade is contingent on restructuring their contract, but if they were willing to restructure they'd probably just stay here since they'll have the best chance to win here. It's cut or restructure with those guys, they both like it here, I think you'll see them restructure. Not sure about Bryant restructuring yet, he was playing hurt last year.

 

[TheBandwagon]

szat, as far as Willson vs Zach Miller, I didn't say that. I think you totally missed my point. I was using Willson as an example of how cheaper, younger talent makes older, higher priced talent expendable but I in no way implied Willson's ready to be that guy after ONE minicamp. Come on.
There's a good chance Zach will not be renewed though so somebody will have to replace him.
But I'm actually in agreement with what you say about him. He became a weapon and an important target for Wilson late in the season and the playoffs after he was finally freed up to do it. Pro Bowl caliber TE but we'll see if he's one of the few the Hawks will decide to keep around after his current contract expires. He won't ever restructure down I don't think, not if he continues the numbers he put up late in the season.

But no, I was in no way saying "who needs Miller when we got Willson"

 

[szat]

Sidney will restructure.

You make a good point, but if I read Sydney right, my bet is he has too much pride restructure with hawks.

If he pans out then that would allow them to cut loose of Zach Miller when the time is right and not lose a beat.

Your direct statement implied that Luke could replace Zack, 'when the time is right'. And Im saying not gonna happen, as they are totally different TE types. Pete Carroll is very specific about his TE schemes.

 

[TheBandwagon]

"Your direct statement implied that Luke could replace Zack, 'when the time is right'. And Im saying not gonna happen"
Conceivably, he could. And there's no way you can know yet if he's a different TE type or not. You basing that on the 9 receptions Willson had in college last year? There's no way you can know what the Hawks will do. You're saying, "not gonna happen." I'm saying, yes, it could happen. And there's a good chance that it will if Willson becomes starter material. Maybe not this year, but after this year, anything can happen. Don't think for a second that the Hawks won't downgrade the position if they see more value in the cheaper option, especially if it means retaining other key players. That's exactly how it works.
So I guess we disagree on that.

 

[szat]

Don't think for a second that the Hawks won't downgrade the position if they see more value in the cheaper option, especially if it means retaining other key players. That's exactly how it works.
So I guess we disagree on that.

So we do, and thats a.o.k. Pete Carroll loves the TE piece of the offense (as does another NFC WEST HC, can you guess who?) and values it very much. I think we even carried 4 for a while one year which is crazy talk.

Anyways, everything Ive read is luke is stretch the field type "U" or joker type TE. Almost like a WR even... Where as Zack is a traditional "Y" blocker type reciever, and a damn good one.

Your right... these guys (coaches) could see and turn him into something he has not been.
Ultimetly In my opinion I would be just skookum if they end up on the field at the same time in 2 TE set.

Here is a VERY EXTENSIVE article about the TE position and even grades out and evaluates the 2013 class (including Luke Willson), if your a x&o geek like me.....

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/...tight-ends-zach-ertz-tyler-eifert-jordan-reed

 

[TheBandwagon]

Thanks for the link. Some good, informative stuff.
Basically it kinda goes back to picking their poison when it comes to who they can retain long term and who they will have to let go. I'm totally with you on Zach. He's never really been an elite, as in maybe top 2 or 3 class TE like Gates, Tony G and guys like that (at least as far as being as prominent in the passing game). But he has been a pro bowler in the past and the way he finished the season last year, he could take it to a higher level than he ever has before. And yes, a blocking TE who can go off for 140 receiving yards in a game is very rare indeed, I agree.

Based on his age though, there's a chance the Hawks might decide they can't afford spending the cap space to keep him past his current contract. I guess a lot will depend on his health and whether he's still peaking or starting to go into decline when it comes time to renew some contracts and the overall state of the TE position at that time.

 

[szat]

Yep he might be a cap casuality. But that's all after next season.
Wooohooo, cant wait till '13 football!